tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post7928229615104390403..comments2023-11-03T05:34:26.880-05:00Comments on The Whited Sepulchre: The Dumbest Fools That God Put Guts InThe Whited Sepulchrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17657366124122012622noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-3390253720351504752009-08-06T10:11:55.245-05:002009-08-06T10:11:55.245-05:00Either you are wrong, the environmental experts ar...Either you are wrong, the environmental experts are wrong or the government has whiffed on their 'primary stated goal' (your words).<br /><br />Environmental experts say the program — conceived primarily to stimulate the economy and jump-start the auto industry — is not an effective way to attack climate change.<br /><br />"As a carbon dioxide policy, this is a terribly wasteful JThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03991106665854663069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-17796908032922493342009-08-06T06:11:46.782-05:002009-08-06T06:11:46.782-05:00WS -- I could be (and frequently am) wrong, but my...WS -- I could be (and frequently am) wrong, but my understanding is that the program's primary purpose is to reduce consumption/carbon footprint and increase fuel efficiency. <br /><br />Period. <br /><br />This *will* have the additional effect of reducing pollution, and reducing oil imports.<br /><br />It will no doubt help car dealerships and their workforce. Since it <i>does not</i> Dr Ralphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11315005375209513833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-11318017602131492932009-08-06T05:29:32.879-05:002009-08-06T05:29:32.879-05:00Doctor, Stephen,
The difference of opinion seems ...Doctor, Stephen,<br /><br />The difference of opinion seems to boil down to motivations on the part of our Washington employees. Is Cash For Clunkers intended to clean up the environment, or is it intended to help Detroit and local auto dealers? <br /><br />If it's the former, would it not be more effective to spend a comparable amount of money to take the worst-offending vehicles off the The Whited Sepulchrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17657366124122012622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-88319973033818890602009-08-05T23:22:28.861-05:002009-08-05T23:22:28.861-05:00Stephen -- alas, we must agree to disagree and res...Stephen -- alas, we must agree to disagree and respect our differences.Dr Ralphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11315005375209513833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-20007971350621778952009-08-05T20:37:14.749-05:002009-08-05T20:37:14.749-05:00I agree that not everything is just about the doll...I agree that not everything is just about the dollar savings. It's also about the immorality of taking money by force from some people to subsidize other people's cars. We've had that conversation enough times in the past, and I know that this doesn't concern you, so I won't bother pursuing it any farther.<br /><br />And I would expect gas prices to go up over time, but you Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-25879191073327405172009-08-05T20:23:25.153-05:002009-08-05T20:23:25.153-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-67243989193557597232009-08-05T19:53:19.946-05:002009-08-05T19:53:19.946-05:00WS - I love it when you dissect me one line at a t...WS - I love it when you dissect me one line at a time. It give me chills just to think of it.<br /><br />1. Rewarding the Big Three, UAW, etc? Seeing as the US auto industry is in the toilet, I believe the word you meant to use was "stimulate." That's what a stimulus package does. Would you rather all those people be on the dole?<br /><br />2. So -- staving off unemployment and Dr Ralphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11315005375209513833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-75165587027138657672009-08-05T10:31:29.746-05:002009-08-05T10:31:29.746-05:00I think all of you Doc detractors are forgetting t...I think all of you Doc detractors are forgetting that Doc and his fellow "Progressives" possess the Magic Keynesian Money Tree, so only a cursory look at the costs of any government program is required. <br /><br />And the highly concentrated carbon output from the "clunker" in that Volvo snuff-film(and presumably the long row of other snuffed cars shown)? <br /><br />Browncoat Libertarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17382947284829092569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-6480759681050937102009-08-05T08:02:02.058-05:002009-08-05T08:02:02.058-05:00So if we pay $4,500 per car to get all of the 47,0...So if we pay $4,500 per car to get all of the 47,000,000 gas guzzlers off the road, we can save 5,500,000,000 gallons of gas a year? Cool. Gas today costs $2.49 per gallon. Over 5.5 billion gallons, that's an annual fuel savings of $13,695,000,000. If we assume all the new cars last 10 years, that's a total fuel savings of $136,950,000,000. <br /><br />But spending $4,500 47,000,000 Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-81244578225669212122009-08-05T07:02:27.157-05:002009-08-05T07:02:27.157-05:00Negligible? Let's do some math.
250,851,833 r...Negligible? Let's do some math.<br /><br />250,851,833 registered passenger vehicles in the US. Of those, roughly 38% are older than 10 years. Let's pretend only half qualify as guzzlers (I'd be willing to be the figure is actually higher) putting us at roughly 47 million cars - average annual mileage of 12,000 miles.<br /><br />At 18 mpg, this driver will burn 666 gallons of gas Dr Ralphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11315005375209513833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-20525271075382007172009-08-05T05:43:10.282-05:002009-08-05T05:43:10.282-05:00One other thing.
I was shocked, SHOCKED that a ...One other thing. <br /><br />I was shocked, SHOCKED that a goverment program that was designed to give something away ran out of money faster than anyone in Washington anticipated. <br /><br />Yes. Outstanding achievement.The Whited Sepulchrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17657366124122012622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-715427925152685612009-08-05T05:39:57.034-05:002009-08-05T05:39:57.034-05:00Dr.,
As usual, we disagree on fundamental assumpti...Dr.,<br />As usual, we disagree on fundamental assumptions. Let's take it paragraph by paragraph. <br /><br />1) The goal was to reward The Big 3, Detroit, The UAW, and Auto Dealerships. <br /><br />2) If you start selling dimes for a nickel, you too will be wildly succesful. I also believe this program has accomplished its goals, but only if you buy into premise #1. Riding around in a The Whited Sepulchrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17657366124122012622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-77341031543273501592009-08-05T00:13:48.167-05:002009-08-05T00:13:48.167-05:00The goal of the program was to get gas guzzlers of...The goal of the program was to get gas guzzlers off the streets and have people buy more energy efficient cars. This reduces pollution and gas consumption, and has shown to increase domestic auto sales (though the program doesn't limit buyers to domestic cars). <br /><br />It's been wildly successful and has accomplished its goals.<br /><br />What the hell are you bitching about?<br /><brDr Ralphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11315005375209513833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-41416350329705753582009-08-04T17:47:46.679-05:002009-08-04T17:47:46.679-05:00I work with a group called "Family Pathfinder...I work with a group called "Family Pathfinders" that tries to help people make the transition from welfare. <br />The client before our current one REALLY needed a car. <br />I look at this disaster, and I look at the needs for transportation, and Tim, I'm like you. As far as the scale goes, the only thing worse is war footage.The Whited Sepulchrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17657366124122012622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-31472993565016529232009-08-04T17:03:59.529-05:002009-08-04T17:03:59.529-05:00Killing every third pig and plowing under every th...Killing every third pig and plowing under every third row of corn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-31777150651932345372009-08-04T12:32:21.247-05:002009-08-04T12:32:21.247-05:00I am rather stuck on this issue as well...
As a p...I am rather stuck on this issue as well...<br /><br />As a parent, considering their SAFETY, that used Volvo would have been a great and affordable first car. Low MPG seems like a good tactic for limiting a teen's driving! (Thereby reducing teen accident and fatality rate, resulting in lower insurance costs, etc., but no, fuel economy is more important). My first car was a 'check the JThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03991106665854663069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-23567966377054976832009-08-04T10:58:58.726-05:002009-08-04T10:58:58.726-05:00This video drove it home - it makes me shake - a p...This video drove it home - it makes me shake - a perfectly good car destroyed. Of course, if you own the car, it's yours to destroy.<br /><br />The U.S. Congress cannot be this stupid. The only conclusion I can draw is that they are evil. Or am I wrong? Is there some factor I'm not considering?<br /><br />Co-worker Debra's family of five has 4 vehicles among three drivers. Only That Damn Libertarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11593683565110597070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-7898886142939088072009-08-04T09:02:56.281-05:002009-08-04T09:02:56.281-05:00The original funding lasted 8% of the time they th...The original funding lasted 8% of the time they thought it would, but they couldn't possibly be wrong about any of their other predictions. <br /><br />Massive auto loan defaults and a new credit crisis in 5, 4, 3, 2...JThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03991106665854663069noreply@blogger.com