tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post1889365521329802963..comments2023-11-03T05:34:26.880-05:00Comments on The Whited Sepulchre: NOT Locally Grown. Not Even CloseThe Whited Sepulchrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17657366124122012622noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-73400930560578076562008-12-12T17:00:00.000-06:002008-12-12T17:00:00.000-06:00P.S. give me a samizdata link too, if only to illu...P.S. give me a samizdata link too, if only to illustrate to kind of people that you are so ardently opposed to.The Red Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13208734710414007893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-76533113368854547232008-12-12T16:59:00.000-06:002008-12-12T16:59:00.000-06:00I can't believe that this has turned from a discus...I can't believe that this has turned from a discussion about buying food from you neighbor into a debate about the merits of Marxist-derived economic systems. So be it. BTW the Cold War is long since over, so stop using out-date, ethnocentric terms like the Third World (sure is great to have our world be two ranks better than their world isn't?).<BR/><BR/>"Take a trip to Kenya"- don't tell me The Red Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13208734710414007893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-75668104833588401382008-12-12T06:34:00.000-06:002008-12-12T06:34:00.000-06:00"If the workers were paid a livable wage and worke..."If the workers were paid a livable wage and worked in safe conditions that would be one thing, but they are not"<BR/><BR/>Take a trip to Kenya then and see some of the green bean farms (they are hard to miss). In fact a lot of the beans actually *are* produced by smallholders on order and quality control from western purchasers. Other producers are indeed larger farms which dare to hire Perry de Havillandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10758633865197253580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-57456261870888723102008-12-12T01:16:00.000-06:002008-12-12T01:16:00.000-06:00Perry- Your faux letter is addressed to "third wor...Perry- Your faux letter is addressed to "third world farmer." If by that you meant multi-national conglomerate, forgive me. The key words in the letter are "trying to pull yourself out of poverty" as trying is all most/all farm workers are able to do. The wages paid to farmers in the developing world are barely enough to keep their families from starving, low enough to require that their The Red Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13208734710414007893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-20754641196790771552008-12-11T06:49:00.000-06:002008-12-11T06:49:00.000-06:00Gents,Very glad to have both of you in here commen...Gents,<BR/>Very glad to have both of you in here commenting on a very old post. <BR/><BR/>The primary flaw in the Locavore mindset: they tend to isolate the freight cost from all other costs, as if the local (and usually higher) costs associated with growing a turnip are good and wholesome, but freight costs are somehow sinister. The costs associated with growing turnips in smaller quantities The Whited Sepulchrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17657366124122012622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-27845761133893575082008-12-11T05:43:00.000-06:002008-12-11T05:43:00.000-06:00"Perry- You are operating under the mistaken notio..."Perry- You are operating under the mistaken notion that small, family farmers grow our food overseas."<BR/><BR/>Am I? Please quote where I said that.<BR/><BR/>"Ever hear the term "banana republic?" Agro-business is controlled by huge corporations whose workers have no stake in the company or the land on which they work."<BR/><BR/>Yes, wicked companies with the retail contacts in the west and Perry de Havillandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10758633865197253580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-33981350824964440332008-12-11T04:14:00.000-06:002008-12-11T04:14:00.000-06:00Also the argument that shipping food in large cont...Also the argument that shipping food in large containers is more fuel efficient than local farmers trucking food around is flawed. To begin with, local food isn't sold exclusively at farmer's markets and often at regular non-whole foods/whole paycheck super markets. It is sold along side non-local food, which was also brought there on a truck, from a distribution center where it was taken after The Red Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13208734710414007893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-53203272022633497122008-12-11T03:32:00.000-06:002008-12-11T03:32:00.000-06:00Perry- You are operating under the mistaken notion...Perry- You are operating under the mistaken notion that small, family farmers grow our food overseas. Ever hear the term "banana republic?" Agro-business is controlled by huge corporations whose workers have no stake in the company or the land on which they work. It does not provide a means by which to pull oneself out of poverty, rather it is part of a system which perpetuates poverty, The Red Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13208734710414007893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-25002726445365668012008-01-18T21:53:00.000-06:002008-01-18T21:53:00.000-06:00Sooby Dooby Doo ! !That's good stuff. Thanks for ...Sooby Dooby Doo ! !<BR/><BR/>That's good stuff. Thanks for the Nature's Calling link. <BR/>Is that you using another alias in the Nature's Calling comment field, asking what countries they supply? (As in, are they burning fossil fuel to supply non-local retailers?) <BR/>I've logged in and asked if they ship into China. <BR/>When you get a chance, go in there and ask if their Nature T-shirts The Whited Sepulchrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17657366124122012622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-19119352372889344272008-01-18T16:33:00.000-06:002008-01-18T16:33:00.000-06:00I was eating Dorito's while reading this post. I'm...I was eating Dorito's while reading this post. I'm not entirely sure where they grow Dorito's (I'm guessing Iceland) but I'm certain it's nowhere round these parts. In this I feel a certain kinship with Mr. Stein. <BR/><BR/>That bit of wisdom aside I do specifically buy certain local products because they're just better. <BR/><BR/>While there are some level headed folks that indulge in the "GreenJay@Soobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12208597218366281778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-57957167603935789772008-01-18T14:56:00.000-06:002008-01-18T14:56:00.000-06:00Perry,You neglected to mention "Food Security" in ...Perry,<BR/>You neglected to mention "Food Security" in your otherwise excellent rant. <BR/>In our left-wing magazines, all the ads reference Green, Greenery, Smug Greenery-ness, & conservation of fuel and the like as the reason for all our farm subsidies. The conservative mags suddenly have ads about "working for food security". Swear to God. Will post on it soon. <BR/> <BR/>Thanks for the The Whited Sepulchrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17657366124122012622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8771666371746650057.post-56018220876398251162008-01-18T07:58:00.000-06:002008-01-18T07:58:00.000-06:00How about "Dear Third World Farmer trying to offer...How about "Dear Third World Farmer trying to offer us high quality, low cost agricultural products... sorry but we would prefer it if you remain poor, so that our kids can go work for an NGO helping you poor ignorant dark people in that pesky gap year and thereby feel good about themselves. Also we prefer you living in eco-friendly low carbon footprint mud huts, so please stop trying to pull Perry de Havillandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10758633865197253580noreply@blogger.com